Randy McDonald ([info]rfmcdpei) wrote,
@ 2006-05-14 00:37:00
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Entry tags:armenian genocide, canada, genocide denial, turkey

[BRIEF NOTE] Now it's Canada's turn
John Gray writes about Turkey's recent withdrawal of its ambassadors to Canada and France in retaliation for these two countries' recognition of the Armenian genocide.

In Canada's case, the complaint was that Prime Minister Stephen Harper last month recalled that both the Senate and the House of Commons had adopted resolutions recognizing the slaughter as genocide: "I and my party supported those resolutions and continue to recognize them today."

In France, parliamentary recognition of the genocide dates back eight years. One difference between France and Canada on the question is that France has an Armenian population of about 300,000. Canada's Armenian population is just 40,000, although individuals like film director Atom Egoyan have given Canadian Armenians an unmistakable visibility.

The Turkish government said the recall of the ambassadors would be for only a short time, yet there could still be serious economic repercussions. Turkey cancelled a multimillion-dollar arms deal with France in 2001, although economic relations appear to have returned to normal in recent years.

Turkey has withdrawn from an international military air exercise in Alberta in May and June in protest against Canada’s stand. And there is speculation in Turkish newspapers that Canada will be--or perhaps has been--excluded from the bidding to build a nuclear power plant in the Black Sea town of Sinop.


It's probably true that a country is best judged by the criticisms levied against it from the outside. Judging the source and considering this issue, Canadians have good reason to be proud.

UPDATE (12:37 AM) : The Globe and Mail reports that the Turkish government tried to get the Canadian government to back off, but that Harper refused. Good for him.


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[info]zibblsnrt
2006-05-14 04:57 am UTC (link)
I really gotta wonder how long those guys can keep up the affectations of defamed outrage over this...

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[info]dsgood
2006-05-14 05:15 am UTC (link)
Because that's the history they've been taught, I would imagine.

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[info]gunlord
2006-05-14 06:08 am UTC (link)
Yay! Go Canada :D The Armenian Holocaust is something of an issue for me; even though I'm not Armenian, it's always pissed me off how nobody knows what it is, despite the fact that over a million people died :(

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I asked a woman who'd been studying it why the denial.
[info]mouseworks
2006-05-14 10:45 am UTC (link)
She said that land and recompensation issues are part of the reason the Turks don't want to accept it. The Amenian Church owned properties that are now owned by the state as tourist attractions, if I'm remembering correctly.

After she found an eye-witness account in the State Department archives and arranged for it to be published, she found herself getting anonymous phone calls.

The account was quite interesting, possibly not completely unbiased since the Americans tended to be pro-British and even more so in the State Department from my reading of various archival discussions. The report with photographs wasn't used to propagandize against the Turks at the time it was written (1915 or 1916).

http://www.aihgs.com/argbooks.htm has a reference to it (Slaughter House Province.

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[info]robertprior
2006-05-14 12:17 pm UTC (link)
When TVO showed that documentary on the Armenian genocide they got a lot of comments saying they shouldn't have. Rather oddly, the comments were very similar ("Dear Sir, it has come to my attention that...."), leading one to conclude that either Turkish school teach very rigid forms of letter writing, or that (just possibly) this was an orchestrated campaign with a template letter...

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[info]zibblsnrt
2006-05-14 06:11 pm UTC (link)
Poke around on Amazon for books about the Armenian genocide; you'll see much the same thing.

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[info]optimussven
2006-05-15 01:46 am UTC (link)
I found this interesting.

Although I am sure he is choosing his words carefully, it's still interesting and in some ways I agree. 1) Armenia, its diasporam and Turkey need to be the prime players in this. And 2) I agree that criminalizing denial does stifle free debate. For the same reasons I don't believe in criminalizing denial of the Holocaust.

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[info]talktooloose
2006-05-15 03:04 pm UTC (link)
LOL

I ran out and bought me and Snake Canadian flag paraphenalia before we left for Turkey so we wouldn't be confused with the hated Americans.

So far no one has treated us with less than courtesy except the wait staff at the four star hotel because we refused to buy overpriced drinks.

Hi. I miss you.

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(Anonymous)
2006-05-15 04:31 pm UTC (link)
I was hearing about this on .. TWTW? It seems that some Turks who would like their country to come to grips with its past, see Canada and France as interlopers who are aggravating the situation. When people are criticized from outside, they're more likely to become entrenched in their positions.

I don't know how much water this argument holds.

Anyway, while we're at it, let's see if the Turkish parliament recognizes the Canadian genocide of its First Nations people, and makes it a crime to deny same.

RP. (http://www.theyhateusforourfreedoms.blogspot.com)

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