Randy McDonald ([info]rfmcdpei) wrote,
@ 2008-03-01 14:59:00
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[BRIEF NOTE] On the joy of the old at the ruination of the young
Decca Aitkenhead's interview with James Lovelock in The Guardian ("'Enjoy life while you can'") has gotten quite a lot of negative reaction in the blogosphere.

Interviewers often remark upon the discrepancy between Lovelock's predictions of doom, and his good humour. "Well I'm cheerful!" he says, smiling. "I'm an optimist. It's going to happen."

Humanity is in a period exactly like 1938-9, he explains, when "we all knew something terrible was going to happen, but didn't know what to do about it". But once the second world war was under way, "everyone got excited, they loved the things they could do, it was one long holiday ... so when I think of the impending crisis now, I think in those terms. A sense of purpose - that's what people want."

At moments I wonder about Lovelock's credentials as a prophet. Sometimes he seems less clear-eyed with scientific vision than disposed to see the version of the future his prejudices are looking for. A socialist as a young man, he now favours market forces, and it's not clear whether his politics are the child or the father of his science. His hostility to renewable energy, for example, gets expressed in strikingly Eurosceptic terms of irritation with subsidies and bureaucrats. But then, when he talks about the Earth - or Gaia - it is in the purest scientific terms all.

"There have been seven disasters since humans came on the earth, very similar to the one that's just about to happen. I think these events keep separating the wheat from the chaff. And eventually we'll have a human on the planet that really does understand it and can live with it properly. That's the source of my optimism."

What would Lovelock do now, I ask, if he were me? He smiles and says: "Enjoy life while you can. Because if you're lucky it's going to be 20 years before it hits the fan."


There's a few things that I find potentially objectionable about Lovelock's argument, like the assumption that it's completely futile to try to do anything about the environment and we may as well do whatever we want in the interim, or the equation of the current day with the jolly eve of the Second World War (death camps and V-2s and panzers, oh my!). I also wonder if, in his interview, Lovelock evidenced a sort of bias against the younger generations like myself, a sort of almost happy resignation to the fact, imagined or otherwise, that my age cohort is going to take it in the neck. That what I get, but I might be projecting from other conversations I've had with other, older people who have come to that same conclusion.

It's not surprising, I suppose, that the inventor of the Gaia hypothesis would be willing to countenance the idea of inevitable doom meted out by a superior entity. What sort of person would sound as borderline pleased by that in the way that he seems to sound?


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[info]angel80
2008-03-01 11:30 pm UTC (link)
Well, he's not an economist so I would really expect him to have sophisticated ideas about economics or about society for that matter.

It isn't true that he argues the complete futility of doing something about it. In the interview I heard recently on the BBC he was talking about putting up sunshades in space and his own project of trying to draw cold water up from the ocean depths. And his argument about reducing emissions is based on science - because a lot of the emissions produce reflective particles that contribute to global dimming - his argument is for a more complex approach rather than putting all eggs in one basket.

Also the "resignation" is a sign of pessimism rather than optimism. It's not that older people don't care about the younger generation, it's just that they can't see how anything big enough is going to happen in time.

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[info]rfmcdpei
2008-03-02 01:21 am UTC (link)
It's not a matter of older people as a group, but rather of Lovelock. If he calls himself an optimist and grins while he says that the worst is going to happen, after saying that people should go ahead and indulge themselves since it's won't matter, and then talks about how this crisis will separate the wheat from the chaff and provide some people with an exciting sense of purpose despite mass death, it seems very much like he wants this to happen and to my generation. This annoys me, a lot.

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[info]one_serious_cat
2008-03-02 02:02 am UTC (link)
Did you ever see that little feature that came with the Children of Men DVD? It ends with Lovelock dismissing the attitude of those who would refuse to bring children into a world on the brink of an epoch of disaster as wrong-headed, mostly on the grounds that "the whole point of natural selection would be spoilt" if the people smart enough to see what's coming are the ones who stop reproducing. A rather jarring note on which to end a half-hour of musings from the likes of Saskia Sassen, Tzvetan Todorov, Slavoj Zizek, etc.

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All ghosts are spiteful
[info]sandor_baci
2008-03-01 11:53 pm UTC (link)
They envy us who still walk in the sunlight.

Why should someone closely anticipating his own death not also anticipate the attitude that his shade will take?

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[info]princeofcairo
2008-03-02 08:52 am UTC (link)
I have to say that I'm most curious about his "seven disasters since humans came upon the earth" -- is he just referring to the glaciation/warming cycle? If so, then there have been eight, not seven, but surely the experience of Old Stone Age humans during an Ice Age is not particularly relevant to our own future during some putative super-warming.

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