Randy McDonald ([info]rfmcdpei) wrote,
@ 2005-06-29 00:03:00
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[BLOG-LIKE POSTING] What's with Turkey and the Armenian genocide?
It was a very bad public-relations move for the leadership of the Turkish diaspora in Berlin to respond to the Bundestag's recognition of the Armenian genocide with protests not in front of the Bundestag, but in front of the Armenian Embassy. Turkey as a whole seems to have done a very bad job indeed of responding to the 90th anniversary of the Armenian genocide, coming off not as a country seeking to defend its honour against unjustified claims, but rather, as a country that's creepily attacking a much weaker nation and gratuitously insulting governments and individuals which recognize historical facts as ignorant racists. I shudder to imagine how Turkey would react to a recognition of the Armenian genocide by the United States Congress, given the reactions to French and German (and European and Argentine and Swiss and Belgian) recognitions.

Let's start by taking the Armenian genocide as fact. Certain things remain unclear, particularly the numbers of people killed. There's still more than enough evidence to support the argument that the government of Ottoman Turkey responded to unrest among Armenians living on the frontier with Russia by engaging in indiscriminate mass deportations and killings which resulted in the decimation of the Armenians living in what is now Turkey, and contributed to the modern-day dispersal of the Armenians from their homeland. Was this genocide? A quick perusal of the text of the 1948 "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide" suggests that it was, even if the convention obviously wasn't in force in the 1915-1918 period. The Armenian genocide is a sad reality.

Why is Turkey so hostile to the recognition of this genocide? It was perpetrated ninety years ago, after all, it was organized by the Ottoman empire, a political regime overthrown by the modern republic. Recognizing that the Armenian genocide happened no more means that one thinks the Turks are inherently genocidal than recognizing the Holocaust means that one thinks that the Germans are inherently genocidal. The arguments that I keep reading, suggesting that recognizing the Armenian genocide will threaten individual Turks and Turkey as a whole, are nonsense. If anything, the current approach of aggressive historical negationism will do more to undermine Turkey's image than any recognition possibly could. Last December, when I discovered that a brief essay I'd written encouraged someone to write a fisking nine thousand words long. That kind of detailed attention is flattering, in a way; it's also rather obsessive and a bit creepy. Obsessive and creepy is not the image that Turkey wants to be communicating, particularly as Turkey is trying to secure its eventual membership in the European Union.

These behaviours could lead one to conclude that Turkey is denying the Armenian genocide because it wishes that it had finished the job, that the denial is a sort of sick humour at the expense of the survivors and that the modern-day Turkish-Azerbaijani alliance against Armenia is a prelude to a recurrence. I reject this idea, not only because the idea of a country hoping to join the European Union that's poised to commit genocide is alarming, but because that doesn't fit with the (English- and French-language) negationist rhetoric I've seen. The language that's used isn't one that denies the humanity of the Armenians and their sufferings, by and large; rather, it's one that asks the outside world to pay attention to Turkish sufferings.

On the 18th, Jonathan Edelstein made a remarkable post examining the policies and mentalities held in common by states run by peoples who had suffered genocides. Israel, Rwanda, and Armenia were his ideal cases; Serbia, Haiti, and a uchronical Biafra also fit his descriptions to greater or lesser extents. All of these states shared five characteristics in common.


  • A very strong idea of homeland and sanctuary.

  • An ethic of self-protection.

  • Attachment to a protector.

  • Trouble with the neighbors.

  • An extreme unwillingness to trust.


Turkey, it seems to me, should also belong on this list. As soon as Ottoman power began to fade--on the Black Sea littoral, in the Balkans, in the Caucasus--the aggressive Russian empire and the new nation-states of southeastern Europe began to expel their Muslim subjects en masse, out of a desire to purify these regained territories of Muslim intruders. Abkhaz, Azerbaijani Sunnis, Crimean Tatars, Circassians, and Chechens were driven from the Caucasus and the Black Sea area, while Albanians, Bosniaks, and Turks were expelled from the Balkans. This massive influx of desperate refugees contributed to the desperate mood of early 20th century Ottoman Anatolia, as aptly described by Andrew Mango in his biography Atatürk.

At the end of the nineteenth century, the ruling Muslim community of the Ottoman empire was gripped by anxiety. Every time a province was lost, waves of Muslim refugees poured into the sultan's remaining possessions. In the Balkans, the first mass flight of Muslims followed the Greek rising of 1821 and the establishment of the Greek kingdom under European protection in 1830. This migration of Muslims was dwarfed by the influx of refugees during and after the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-8. Muslims flooded in from Bulgaria, which became independent in all but name. They came from Thessaly, which was ceded to Greece, a country not involved in the war, but deemed by the European great powers to deserve compensation for the gains achieved by countries which had been.

Even more refugees had come from the lands conquered by Russia in its advance on the south. Although most of these lands had been under Ottoman suzerainty only briefly, their inhabitants saw in the Ottoman state their protector and their refuge. First came hundreds of thousands of Turkic-speaking Tartars from the Crimea and the surrounding steppes, then the majority of Circassians and Abkhazians from the western Caucasus, and large numbers of Chechens from the northern slopes of the Caucasus, of Lezgis and other Dagestanis from its eastern slopes, of Muslim Georgians from Transcaucasia.

Everywhere, Muslims were haunted by the thought that they were losing the state (devlet elden gidiyor, "the state is slipping from our hands," or in the case of Turks who had adopted the terminology of the French Revolution, vatan elden gidiyor, "the fatherland is slipping from our hands"). "How can the state be saved?" was the question Muslims asked themselves (Mango 10-11).


The immediate human consequences of these migrations were noted by Turkish sociologist Kemal H. Karpat in his 1976 paper "The Genesis of the Gecekondu: Rural Migration and Urbanization"

[I]n my early youth [. . .] I witnessed the abrupt departure of most of my relatives and friends from Dobruja to Turkey. I was haunted by the empty houses and the howling dogs that after following the migrants’ caravan, returned to their masters’ empty houses to die of grief. The sudden silence of the streets on which emigrants’ children had played and many other disheartening events created in me both a revulsion and curiosity towards migration. The revulsion was a subconscious reaction against the forces that had compelled my departing relatives and friends to leave their homes and a way of life that I had thought was permanent and unchangeable. The curiosity about migration was rather imperceptible at the beginning but grew stronger after I realized the complexity of the process and it effects.

From the outset, everybody knew that the departing migrants were young and relatively poor but dreamed of receiving the land, houses, oxen, etc. supposedly promised by Mustafa Kemal (Atatürk) if they settled in Turkey under a series of migration agreements Turkey had signed with the governments of Romania and Bulgaria in the 1930s. Years later when I also had to migrate to Turkey, I visited many relatives settled in Central Anatolian, Aegean and Thracian villages whose land, climate, and work conditions seemed to be worse than those in the ‘memleket’ as they fondly referred to their old village in Dobruja. (Torn by nostalgia many embraced me in order to ‘memleket kokusunu alayım’ to inhale the scent of the old country which as a latecomer I presumably retained.)


The Ottoman Empire was a state facing a grim future, beset on all sides by nationalists and foreign states hostile to Turks. Greeks, Serbs, Romanians, and Bulgarians had established their own religiously pure and militarily aggressive nation-states. Worse still, the aggressive Russian Empire had resettled its portion of the Black Sea shoreline with Slavic Christians, placed Georgia under its control, and was steadily advancing into geographical Armenia. Turkey was running out of land to abandon by the time that the First World War had begun; indeed, if the post-War Treaty of Sèvres is anything to go by, the Ottoman Empire might have been reduced to a barely viable Anatolian core surrounded by its engorged revanchist neighbours. It's easy to imagine a Turkey that lacked an Atatürk and was left to be dissected at will by its neighbours. It's difficult to imagine this Turkey as anything but a nightmare for the Turks. Certainly civilian death tolls exclusive of the Armenians were appalling high as is.

This insight doesn't resolve the question of Turkish historical negationism, unfortunately. Yes, Turks in the First World War often suffered at the hands of Armenian individuals or organizations, but this Turkish suffering no more disproves the Armenian genocide than German suffering at the hands of Polish individuals and organizations at the end of the Second World War disproves Germany's efforts to commit genocide against Poland. What this does mean is that Turkish historical negationism is understandable, even somewhat forgiveable, coming in the main not from malicious anti-Armenian hatred but from a desire that Turkish sufferings be recognized. How this recognition can possibly be achieved I leave to others to imagine. It might well be impossible to recognize it in a meaningful way, in which case Turkey's image might continue to suffer. Even so, there may be some hope yet that things can be worked through.



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[info]dsgood
2005-06-29 05:41 am UTC (link)
It's a matter of honor. The same reason why French rightists who didn't believe Dreyfus was guilty were anti-Dreyfusards. Why some American Southerners claim the US Civil War wasn't about slavery.

Or, more immediately: Why some Americans defend US military treatment of prisoners (saying those bad things is an insult to American honor) and other Americans denounce that treatment (doing those things tarnishes American honor).

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[info]pompe
2005-06-29 12:20 pm UTC (link)
An interesting side issue of the entire genocide thing is the role of the various involved. Much of the blame is put on Turkey and Turks and it is commonly described as a Turkish genocide against Armenians, but I've not seen much or heard much about what role the Kurds took in it and what the Kurdish political leaders say about it today. For that matter on the victim side, the Assyrians and Greeks. The former didn't have an own state to escape to.

I don't vouch for the reliability of this site, but still it is interesting:

http://www.aina.org/releases/hunger2001.htm

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[info]optimussven
2005-06-29 02:34 pm UTC (link)
Well said. The Turkish approach to negatinism has often bugged me. As you said, the desire to get Turkish and Muslim suffering recognized as well is understandable, but making by makng themselves look like a bunch of murderous fanatics by protesting outside embassies, cancelling confrences and publishing ridiculous websites is not the way to do it. Nobody is ever going to believe Turkish denial, because it's false, but if it is concerned about its image so much, then by bringing to light atrocities of the same period against Turks and the modern atrocities commited in Karabakh is the way to go.

Personally (other than pride) none of the reasons for continued denial make that much sense to me, except for reparations. Reparations solve nothing. Whether its Arican-Americans, Jews, or Armenians, I never think reparations are a good idea.

Sadly the only people who really suffer from the continued denial is the state of Armenia itself. Turkey will go on fine, but Armenia will suffer. The reason (in my opinion)? Because the almost despotic government of Armenia is one propped up by the Armenian diaspora. It is the diaspora who push the genocide agenda, pushed the invasion of NK, and prop up Robert Kocharian (a former leader of the NK movement) merely because they know he will not budge on two issues, NK and Turkey.

The Armenian diaspora is sadly disconnected from actual life in Armenia, a split that has history since most of the diaspora are Western Armenians, the victims of the genocide, while modern Armenians are mostly Eastern Armenians, who were mostly under Persian protection and barely experienced the effects of the genocide. Armenia is dirt poor, most people barely have water or heat. The electricity cuts out all the time and the government officials live in grand estates and drive around in Mercedes. The Mafia is extremely powerful and the number of strip-bars, liquor stores, and casinos outnumber bookstores. It's a sad situation, but it could be better.

Today Armenians can travel to Turkey (paying 15 dolalrs for a visa). You can fly between Yerevan and Istanbul, but you can't cross the border, and why is the border shut? It was first a reaction to NK, but now I imagine that Turkey would gladly reopen it if Armenia wanted to. Eastern Turkey suffers severely from the lack of trade with Armenia. But Armenia will never open the border as long as the diaspora is funding the gov't. The diaspora pretends to be looking out for Armenia, but the truth is few of them really care.

But that's just my opinion.

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[info]rfmcdpei
2005-06-29 04:50 pm UTC (link)
[I]f it is concerned about its image so much, then by bringing to light atrocities of the same period against Turks and the modern atrocities commited in Karabakh is the way to go.

Though I'm not convinced of this. Do atrocities committed against Germans in 1944-1945 really minimize the effects of German atrocities in 1938-1945? As for the Azerbaijani/Armenian conflict, the Azerbaijanis did start with the pogroms against Armenians in Baku and Sumgait, and I'm on record as favouring a redrawing of the old inter-republican frontiers in the Caucasus.

As for Turkey's senseless blockade of Armenia, that's its choice. Its strident interventionism in the conflict, predicated on unrealistic fears of Armenian claims and requiring that Armenia partake in negationism, is also its choice. I'm half-tempted to say that Turkey should get slapped down by the EU on these grounds.

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[info]optimussven
2005-06-30 01:08 pm UTC (link)
I wasn't really saying that it diminishes Turkey's actions, just destroys the stereotype of Armenia being innocent, blood-free, and picked on by bigger powers. That is the way it is seen in the US Congress that ridiculously put an embargo on Azerbaijan for instituting a blockade (although it has finally been repealed). Bringing back attention on the diaspora-sponsered terrorist activities of the 70s and 80s would also help. But I still think that the best response on Turkey's part (other than fessing up) is just, as the Economist recently said, "respectable silence."

I still don't see the NK issue as one of those issues that really has a "start" but rather one fo those things that escalated pushed along by a series of events (with Turkey and Russia playing their parts). One Armenian gets harrassed in Baku, 10 Azeris get harrassed in Yerevan, then 100 in Baku then 200 in Yerevan. Eventually you get progroms in Baku and then retaliatory ones in Yerevan. But that's beside the point.

Turkey's initiation of the blockade was its own choice, but even with closed borders it still floods Armenia with goods by going through Georgia. Almost any mass-produced item you buy in Armenia is produced in Turkey. I would have predicted the borders to open again soon, but the latest developments show that Turkey is still being a baby about it, as if it shows weakness to reopen them.

And I don't think Turkey deserves EU entry any time soon, it's got a long way to go, but I also don't think that Croatia or even Romania deserves it quite yet either. And I also think the AK Party, which I, like many Turks was rather enthusiastic about, ahs failed miserably and is making a mess of Turkey's international image.

Where as before it was seen as a misunderstood, but progressing state with some internal problems, I think it's now seen as a state who would rather whine abotu unfair treatment then really get things done, and who is doing subversive things to re-Islamicize the country.

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[info]rfmcdpei
2005-06-30 05:34 pm UTC (link)
So, in other words, we more or less agree?

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[info]optimussven
2005-07-01 01:23 pm UTC (link)
as usual. :-)

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[info]rfmcdpei
2005-07-01 01:29 pm UTC (link)
Damn. So, no vicious war in the comments? Clearly, we have to work harder.

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[info]optimussven
2005-07-01 02:14 pm UTC (link)
Speaking of vicious war, I saw you engaged that flammer on the linguaphiles community who was attacking anyone who claims that Greeks were anything but brutally oppressed under the Ottomans.

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[info]rfmcdpei
2005-07-01 03:39 pm UTC (link)
There certainly was a fair amount of Turkish oppression of subject peoples, but the Greeks got less than most. Besides which, the Islam=Naziism meme is really really worrying.

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[info]optimussven
2005-07-01 03:44 pm UTC (link)
the Islam=Naziism meme is really really worrying

Indeed. Also, when I hear people talk in that line they almost always concentrate on the Ottomans. It seems the Ottomans really were bad press for Islam.

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[info]rfmcdpei
2005-07-01 03:48 pm UTC (link)
[W]hen I hear people talk in that line they almost always concentrate on the Ottomans. It seems the Ottomans really were bad press for Islam.

I can understand that. Certainly, being conquered by a foreign power is never a fun thing even when the conquest takes place peaceably enough. There's little to be nostalgic for in the 19th century Ottoman Empire in Europe, I fear.

ObWI: The Ottomans never cross into the Balkans. What's Islam's PR in Europe then?

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[info]optimussven
2005-07-01 03:59 pm UTC (link)
The Ottomans never cross into the Balkans. What's Islam's PR in Europe then?

Couldn't imagine it being anything but better. Of course you still have plenty of other sorts of bad PR, Chanson de Roland, the Crusades, and la Reconquista, but nothing that really sticks in the memory like seiging Vienna, and the Balkan wars.

Poitiers was too long ago, only the French remember. Most people see the Muslim rule in Spain as generally good, the Moors as sort of laughable, and the resulting inquisition as not good. The Crusades is the only sticking point, but there is enough study on it that most people accept that it was jsut bad for everybody.

Throughout the last centuries Islamophobia always took the form of "the Turk" get rid of the Ottomans and you might be left with a more ambivalent feeling. Sort of, "they're heathens and different, but since they are far away, it's ok."

Probobly the most curious thought though, is that without the Ottomans you get a bit of a vacuum. Byzantium was dying anway, who would take it's place? Venice? Austria? and how far would they have ventured into the Middle East and what sort of effect would that have on relations, with Christians being doing the conquering and Muslims doing the defending?

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[info]rfmcdpei
2005-07-01 06:59 pm UTC (link)
Don't forget Hungary and Serbia as candidates for regional hegemons.

Without the Ottomans to derange things, there might well not be any one conquering power to cross the divide between Christendom and Dar al-Islam.

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-01 09:54 pm UTC (link)
If the Turks never take Constantinople, what then of the Renaissance and the re-flowering of European civilization? After all, fleeing Greek scholars played a crucial role in the early part of the Renaissance.

- Pearsall

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(Anonymous)
2005-06-29 11:50 pm UTC (link)
I'd say pride has an awful lot to do with it. Turks are justifiably proud of their country and its long and noble history. The creation of modern Turkey was an incredible archivement - the hugest social experiment of the last century that (more-or-less) worked.

Even Turks who don't speak English, in the most "tourists beware" neighbourhoods, are thrilled to point out the hidden sights or explain some detail of food or custom. It's an incredibly refreshing attitude, being proud of where you come from, which you sometimes get in the States and practically nowhere else. In most European countries, what you get is "Yeah, I guess that is a 1000-year-old castle, but boy, I wish I lived in Canada."

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(Anonymous)
2008-07-20 06:38 pm UTC (link)
your comment are absolutely nonsense> let me tell you something what you know about European people? what you know about Armenians so don't you please write non sense words in public place.

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